Have I screwed myself up? I need honest advice.

[Roccamayo]

Hey all, this is going to be a long one but I really need some honest advice. I have been doing a great deal of reading on here and I am beginning to second guess my actions. About me, 40 YO, 5'10", 215, around 20% bf. I have been lifting on and off most of my life. My strongest I've ever been, 10 years ago, 295 bench for 2 reps at 190lb. A year ago my testosterone was checked by my physician and I was told it was not low. Low 600's, but I lost the paperwork.

About 3-4 months ago I very unwisely started my own unsupervised TRT. It can be bought over the counter in my country. I have taken Sustenon 250 unreligiously at mostly 250mg a week with about 4 times at 250mg every 2 weeks. I now realize the magnitude of my dosing errors and not being on a fixed dose, in addition to my overall ignorance to TRT and testosterone. Through this message board I have learned that this is not a game and I am not dealing with a supplement or vitamins than can be taken or not taken on a whim. I know I have screwed up.

My honest rational for TRT was based solely on trying to feel better. I have really not felt like myself for some time. I lost my wife 3 years ago to a brain aneurysm. Since then I have really let myself go. I also have 2 severely herniated discs in my lower back that require surgery but I have been putting it off as long as i can. In the past 4 months I have lifted weights less than 5 times. I have done cardio more regularly at 2-3 times weekly, 50 minutes at 5mph on a treadmill. My diet is mostly clean and I monitor my calories and try to stay under 2200 a day, mostly I am under 2200. I have not lost any weight. The other day I went to the gym at work and I sat down at the bench just to see where I was at on a weakness scale. Someone had 185 on. No warm up, nada, I asked for a spot. Went up no problemo. I was surprised. Mind you I have not lifted with dedication for over 3 years. I thought I would try 205. A coworker said just go for 225. I did, went up again no issue. I ended up going up to 265 with minimal effort before deciding this was a really dumb idea and I could injure myself. I was quite surprised.

I must say I think I do feel better. I'd estimate I feel at least 30-40% better than I did before I started the Sustenon. I don't know if this mental, depression related, or what. Right before I started my "TRT" I started dating again and I have a very hot girlfriend and I feel the Sustenon has made a huge difference with my libido or lack thereof prior.

Am I doing the right thing here? Should I get off and see how I feel? Based on my levels do I even need to be on test? I think I understand better now the magnitude of TRT and the importance of not being on it unless it is absolutely necessary. I hope I have not done myself too much harm. I really need your guys' advice. Thanks for taking the time to read this post. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[FL1025]

If your levels were low 600's at 40yo you did not need trt to begin with. If I were you I would get your diet under control, actually start a training program for your goals and I would either start getting monitored by a Physician to continue trt or I would PCT and stay off. There is plenty of info on PCT and all the products can be picked up at Pure Essence. What were your goals for going on TRT?

 

[GTFORMULA]

I've been on trt 8 years with a starting level of 170. At your 600 level you didn't need trt. Now since you feel better and libido is up and new girlfriend, I would say to stay to course and not come off at this time. When things calm down and you are in a position to come off and try to recover then try it. But at your age will not be easy.

 

[rockmfhudd]

I agree with both however you have started and you prolly need to pct get bloodwork again and see where you normal levels are now, if you have experienced any suppression. I am in the same boat as you, I am/was pretty sure I was low the military doc's said I was "normal" levels well their normal is a lot different. If this is something you are willing to continue on your own you just need to figure out what your goals are and how much it will take to sustain that. It sure helped me to "self diagnose and medicate" my wife is an RN and we talked about it and she agreed to let me try this, of course all the horror stories or roid rage and all of that shit was in her mind. Now she see's it was and is all hype if you are responsible with it. Can you fuck it up YES you can but I don't think your intentions were that, you were depressed as I was way before I started and after I started the old lady has a permanent smile on her face and so do I cuz ive lost 40 lbs 8 inches in my waist and can go a round or two in the sack per day hahaha. so did you screw up, maybe, was it major? I don't think so but I would get bloods and figure out what your goals are and everyone here is here to help.

 

[FL1025]

I agree with both however you have started and you prolly need to pct get bloodwork again and see where you normal levels are now, if you have experienced any suppression. I am in the same boat as you, I am/was pretty sure I was low the military doc's said I was "normal" levels well their normal is a lot different. If this is something you are willing to continue on your own you just need to figure out what your goals are and how much it will take to sustain that. It sure helped me to "self diagnose and medicate" my wife is an RN and we talked about it and she agreed to let me try this, of course all the horror stories or roid rage and all of that shit was in her mind. Now she see's it was and is all hype if you are responsible with it. Can you fuck it up YES you can but I don't think your intentions were that, you were depressed as I was way before I started and after I started the old lady has a permanent smile on her face and so do I cuz ive lost 40 lbs 8 inches in my waist and can go a round or two in the sack per day hahaha. so did you screw up, maybe, was it major? I don't think so but I would get bloods and figure out what your goals are and everyone here is here to help.

I know what you mean about the Miltary docs, I had a buddy go in with test levels of 112 and they gave him anti depressants for his symptoms lol what a joke.

 

[rockmfhudd]

ya no shit I cant find my paperwork, but im pretty sure I remember being in the 150 range. I was gaining weight but I was running my lawn business in the florida heat 40 yards a week, and also delivering pizzas at night so I know I had to be burning fucking 4000 cals a day, but gaining weight, feeling sluggish, always tired and napping. So I knew something was off but until this year didn't know what the "options" were. Then someone turned me on to test and sust and Eq. Which I was running all wrong!!! Thank God I did my own research found this place and its been on like Bing Bong since Jack. lol I have learned so much and basically probably saved my life coming here.

 

[PHURIOUS]

Well. Ya you were kinda all over the place there.

One id say sustanon is terrible for trt. Blood levels can be all over the place.

Test cyp is probly the best.

Id say right now since you are on. I would get some cyp. Do 100mg a week to level yourself out. Also get a blood test to see where your numbers are as im sure you wernt on an aromatose inhibitors

Or you can pct off. But honestly you are shutdown anyway. I would level off with some cyp and get a bloodtest and get on an ai.


PHURIOUS

 

[rockmfhudd]

Hey all, this is going to be a long one but I really need some honest advice. I have been doing a great deal of reading on here and I am beginning to second guess my actions. About me, 40 YO, 5'10", 215, around 20% bf. I have been lifting on and off most of my life. My strongest I've ever been, 10 years ago, 295 bench for 2 reps at 190lb. A year ago my testosterone was checked by my physician and I was told it was not low. Low 600's, but I lost the paperwork.

About 3-4 months ago I very unwisely started my own unsupervised TRT. It can be bought over the counter in my country. I have taken Sustenon 250 unreligiously at mostly 250mg a week with about 4 times at 250mg every 2 weeks. I now realize the magnitude of my dosing errors and not being on a fixed dose, in addition to my overall ignorance to TRT and testosterone. Through this message board I have learned that this is not a game and I am not dealing with a supplement or vitamins than can be taken or not taken on a whim. I know I have screwed up.

My honest rational for TRT was based solely on trying to feel better. I have really not felt like myself for some time. I lost my wife 3 years ago to a brain aneurysm. Since then I have really let myself go. I also have 2 severely herniated discs in my lower back that require surgery but I have been putting it off as long as i can. In the past 4 months I have lifted weights less than 5 times. I have done cardio more regularly at 2-3 times weekly, 50 minutes at 5mph on a treadmill. My diet is mostly clean and I monitor my calories and try to stay under 2200 a day, mostly I am under 2200. I have not lost any weight. The other day I went to the gym at work and I sat down at the bench just to see where I was at on a weakness scale. Someone had 185 on. No warm up, nada, I asked for a spot. Went up no problemo. I was surprised. Mind you I have not lifted with dedication for over 3 years. I thought I would try 205. A coworker said just go for 225. I did, went up again no issue. I ended up going up to 265 with minimal effort before deciding this was a really dumb idea and I could injure myself. I was quite surprised.

I must say I think I do feel better. I'd estimate I feel at least 30-40% better than I did before I started the Sustenon. I don't know if this mental, depression related, or what. Right before I started my "TRT" I started dating again and I have a very hot girlfriend and I feel the Sustenon has made a huge difference with my libido or lack thereof prior.

Am I doing the right thing here? Should I get off and see how I feel? Based on my levels do I even need to be on test? I think I understand better now the magnitude of TRT and the importance of not being on it unless it is absolutely necessary. I hope I have not done myself too much harm. I really need your guys' advice. Thanks for taking the time to read this post. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Yes so all in all you came to the right place for help and advice and you will be straight in no time brother

 

[Gymjunkie38]

First ill second the susutanon for trt useless your blood levels are a friggen roller coaster sus needs too be pinned every three days minimum i prefer eod bad for trt unless you like sticking yourself . but in reality you dont really lift and 600 at 40 is decent i would do a good pct and then get labs 3 weeks after if still at 600 natural leave it alone

 

[rockmfhudd]

however if he wants to get back in the gym and build that muscle in his back to prolong having the surgery he could run test cyp with some sarms and keep the libido and drive up, and see what his goals are or wants to be at. but all good advice here we shall see what roccamayo says about his goals

 

[Roccamayo]

however if he wants to get back in the gym and build that muscle in his back to prolong having the surgery he could run test cyp with some sarms and keep the libido and drive up, and see what his goals are or wants to be at. but all good advice here we shall see what roccamayo says about his goals

Thank you all for the great advice. The more and more I read on here the more I started to realize what I had done and that I was in over my head and needed the help of experienced, knowledgeable people.

My goals honestly were just to feel better, lose a little weight, 15 lbs or so, ad get into better physical condition. I wasn't even planning to lift anymore due to my back. I have considered getting back to more bodyweight exercises and lifts with moderate weight that don't involve deads and squats.

I will definitely get some blood work done as soon as possible as advised and I will report back. I'm really grateful for the advice and I can really see the merits of both paths of either staying on with lower dose cyp and sarms or pct and going off completely. I think I am leaning towards the pct route and seeing how I feel and going from there. I will stay off now(last injection was 2 weeks ago tomorrow) get bloodwork done this week and I will report back. Thanks again everyone. This is really a great thing you guys have got going here, thanks again.

 

[FL1025]

Thank you all for the great advice. The more and more I read on here the more I started to realize what I had done and that I was in over my head and needed the help of experienced, knowledgeable people.

My goals honestly were just to feel better, lose a little weight, 15 lbs or so, ad get into better physical condition. I wasn't even planning to lift anymore due to my back. I have considered getting back to more bodyweight exercises and lifts with moderate weight that don't involve deads and squats.

I will definitely get some blood work done as soon as possible as advised and I will report back. I'm really grateful for the advice and I can really see the merits of both paths of either staying on with lower dose cyp and sarms or pct and going off completely. I think I am leaning towards the pct route and seeing how I feel and going from there. I will stay off now(last injection was 2 weeks ago tomorrow) get bloodwork done this week and I will report back. Thanks again everyone. This is really a great thing you guys have got going here, thanks again.

Blood work at this time will be pointless man, you are suppressed from the Sust and haven't had a shot in 2 weeks so you'll show low. Just do the pct if that's what your going to do then get blood work done about 2-3 weeks after

 

[PHURIOUS]

Blood work at this time will be pointless man, you are suppressed from the Sust and haven't had a shot in 2 weeks so you'll show low. Just do the pct if that's what your going to do then get blood work done about 2-3 weeks after

The bloodwork suggestion isnt for the test number. Its to see all the orher values to see what damage has been done so we can get it corrected.


PHURIOUS

 

[RickRock]

Thank you all for the great advice. The more and more I read on here the more I started to realize what I had done and that I was in over my head and needed the help of experienced, knowledgeable people.

My goals honestly were just to feel better, lose a little weight, 15 lbs or so, ad get into better physical condition. I wasn't even planning to lift anymore due to my back. I have considered getting back to more bodyweight exercises and lifts with moderate weight that don't involve deads and squats.

I will definitely get some blood work done as soon as possible as advised and I will report back. I'm really grateful for the advice and I can really see the merits of both paths of either staying on with lower dose cyp and sarms or pct and going off completely. I think I am leaning towards the pct route and seeing how I feel and going from there. I will stay off now(last injection was 2 weeks ago tomorrow) get bloodwork done this week and I will report back. Thanks again everyone. This is really a great thing you guys have got going here, thanks again.

The PCT route I think is definitely your best bet right now. At least see how you respond and see if you can support healthy natural levels again. I also want you to realize that blood work probably shouldn't be for another few weeks. It will take over 4 weeks for the sustanon to completely clear out of your system, so even though it's been a couple weeks there will still be enough there to show in a test giving false readings on where you are. I would do the bloods a couple weeks after your PCT is complete. That should tell you where you are with your natural levels.

Make sure to run Clomid, Nolva, and Aromasin to give you the best chance at a successful recovery

 

[TX TERROR]

Always try to exist the pct route before trt. It's really a good chance a proper pct with get you squared away man.

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[FL1025]

The bloodwork suggestion isnt for the test number. Its to see all the orher values to see what damage has been done so we can get it corrected.


PHURIOUS

Makes more sense, I was skimming through earlier.

 

[21infantry]

My old endo told me that they had some super fertility drugs in development that would be on the market in the next 5 years that would jumpstart anybodys test unless it was severely structurally damaged. I forgot what the name of it was. But when these Super Drugs hit the market I will be getting them to come off TRT.

 

[Dangans]

My old endo told me that they had some super fertility drugs in development that would be on the market in the next 5 years that would jumpstart anybodys test unless it was severely structurally damaged. I forgot what the name of it was. But when these Super Drugs hit the market I will be getting them to come off TRT.

I read about that also I don't remember the name. I can be wrong but I think it is being developed in Germany

 

[21infantry]

I read about that also I don't remember the name. I can be wrong but I think it is being developed in Germany

I believe it is Merk out of the US, being developed in both Germany and the US. Most drugs are actually developed in the US and tested in labatories in Germany for many of these big Pharma Companies, but recent problems with the Germans have made many companies keep the whole process in house in the US.

 

[Dangans]

I believe it is Merk out of the US, being developed in both Germany and the US. Most drugs are actually developed in the US and tested in labatories in Germany for many of these big Pharma Companies, but recent problems with the Germans have made many companies keep the whole process in house in the US.

Ok that makes sense gotcha thx