deca/test

[drb_iac]

From Michael Moony on keeping wasting AIDS patients strong. " A combination of 200mg testosterone which can be sustanon, test E or test cyp in combination with deca durabolin is a highly effective anabolic steroid cycle that has the least potential for side effects.In this power cycle if any side effects are noted then the testosterone should be lowered to 100-200. If this is done then the deca dosage should be increased so that the total of 400mg is always acheived." Some patients may respond well to 100/100, but some may need up to the max of 400/400."

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[cmb5017]

Plus 3 cans of tuna...

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: deca/test

From Michael Moony on keeping wasting AIDS patients strong. " A combination of 200mg testosterone which can be sustanon, test E or test cyp in combination with deca durabolin is a highly effective anabolic steroid cycle that has the least potential for side effects.In this power cycle if any side effects are noted then the testosterone should be lowered to 100-200. If this is done then the deca dosage should be increased so that the total of 400mg is always acheived." Some patients may respond well to 100/100, but some may need up to the max of 400/400."

http://www.michaelmooney.net/bio.html

Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

 

[drb_iac]

Re: RE: deca/test

From Michael Moony on keeping wasting AIDS patients strong. " A combination of 200mg testosterone which can be sustanon, test E or test cyp in combination with deca durabolin is a highly effective anabolic steroid cycle that has the least potential for side effects.In this power cycle if any side effects are noted then the testosterone should be lowered to 100-200. If this is done then the deca dosage should be increased so that the total of 400mg is always acheived." Some patients may respond well to 100/100, but some may need up to the max of 400/400."

http://www.michaelmooney.net/bio.html

Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.

 

[MrChristian]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.[/quote:3vwlg8jk]

I'm certainly not one of those 'younger guys', but I'm definitely new to AAS. I openly admit to being afraid of using dbol or deca, as you mentioned. But you are definitely helping to change my mind on this Drb.

To give you an idea of my perspective, you should understand that I've spent the past 5 years in a constant and highly focused effort to lose body fat. I was a fat guy. LOL Now that I'm finally not fat, I never...never...NEVER want to go back to that. So yea, I'm 100% phobic of any AAS which might cause me to bloat up and lose definition. This is why Dylan's videos and approach appealed to me so much. He's very focused on remaining lean and ripped, which is exactly what I'm after. But yea...I do want to start putting on my muscle at this point too. So I'm totally open to hearing all opinions about how I can do that while staying lean at the same time. As always, I appreciate your perspective Drb. I might have a low-dose Deca cycle in my future.

 

[drb_iac]

Re: RE: deca/test

http://www.michaelmooney.net/bio.html[/url]

Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.

I'm certainly not one of those 'younger guys', but I'm definitely new to AAS. I openly admit to being afraid of using dbol or deca, as you mentioned. But you are definitely helping to change my mind on this Drb.

To give you an idea of my perspective, you should understand that I've spent the past 5 years in a constant and highly focused effort to lose body fat. I was a fat guy. LOL Now that I'm finally not fat, I never...never...NEVER want to go back to that. So yea, I'm 100% phobic of any AAS which might cause me to bloat up and lose definition. This is why Dylan's videos and approach appealed to me so much. He's very focused on remaining lean and ripped, which is exactly what I'm after. But yea...I do want to start putting on my muscle at this point too. So I'm totally open to hearing all opinions about how I can do that while staying lean at the same time. As always, I appreciate your perspective Drb. I might have a low-dose Deca cycle in my future. [/quote:fhb7ise9]


Well actually test is more known for holding water than deca is. As for dbol, you do not need it unless you really want that big look. I looked a bit like dylan when I was younger and wanted to put on weight. It was the dbol that finally got me over 200lbs and then a tren cut cycle. Deca is really only a mass builder when you go 400-600mgs. Even 300mgs will not ruin definition. And when you do blur from say 300 deca then it is easily loosable. The first time I did a 500/400 cycle it took me 3 days or 3 tablets of lasix to loose ALL of the water. At higher doses of 400-600 test will bloat you way more so than that same amount of deca. Dbol gives a good bit more bloat but with that comes immense strength and big swollen muscles. Just take a look of the abs pic while on deca test and dbol. Is that a big bag of water? It is all overly exagerated, and usually by those who have not tried and found the correct dose. I like being low in BF becasue it makes you feel better. I am all about what feels good physically and mentally, and that includes deca and test. For your goal,s you never need dbol, but you really need deca at 200mg. I wouldn't steer ya wrong my bud.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.[/quote:qpkmxufx]

i aint afraid and i will defnitely be on DBol next year....ill be sitting pretty at a lean 250lbs

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.[/quote:qfmoxuz4]


Personally for orals i opt for Dbol and always run it with test (sometimes additional compounds).. Its definitely NOT for everybody, i cannot stress this enough, and you really gotta know your shit to maximize the results. The reason i do this is because ive ran it so many times and ive learned from experience a few tricks along the way that allows me to keep alot of the gains, while keeping the water retention to a minimum (as minimal as dbol will allow) Remember Dbols main components are protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. I never run dbol more than 4 weeks at 30mg/day and I run an aromatise inhibitor higher than i would normally with say a basic test cycle (or any other cycle for that matter) aromasin @ 12.5-25mg ED while on Dbol (after Dbol i cut back to 12.5mg EOD aromasin) , i properly maintain a clean diet high in protein and up my calories (3500/4000) keeping it low in sodium, sodium intake is a big factor. I also up my water intake from a gallon a day to about two and a half gallons, believe it or not the more water you drink the less you will retain. I also increase cardio intensity and implement this daily and usually double from what i do when im not taking Dbol. I also utilize the hot tub i have in my backyard twice a day every day at 104 degrees and soak 45min-1hr, allowing myself to sweat like a whore at sunday mass (there are multiple ways of forcing yourself to sweat, this is just my choice and most convenient), which helps me shed even more water (sometimes 2-3 pounds in one soak no BS) Then after 4 weeks i come off dbol while remaining on testosterone(and possible other compounds) i up my caloric intake from (3500/4000) to (5500/6000) but now i increase my carb intake along with. The reason i increase calories by so much is because once dbol passes from your system your body needs to compensate in order to maintain your new size and muscle mass. People tend to remain at the same caloric intake at this point which i believe is the factor as to why people do not keep alot of Dbol gains. After all is said and done, it is still very difficult to maintain the additional mass if one does not maintain their new caloric maintenance. And this is where i myself tend to recede unfortunately, but alot of gains are keepable none the less. I must advise that i do have an extreme metablosim, which may have an effect on the overall results. And lets not forget how dbol make yous feel, and when one feels that great mentally it will definitely have a dramatic impact on your workouts and the body, which in turn will give better end results. I can only speak for what works for me and my body personally, but i hope this clarifys the true potential that Dbol possesses . And in the end everything will be dose dependent per person, diet and based on personal goals..

 

[cmb5017]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.

Personally for orals i opt for Dbol and always run it with test (sometimes additional compounds).. Its definitely NOT for everybody, i cannot stress this enough, and you really gotta know your shit to maximize the results. The reason i do this is because ive ran it so many times and ive learned from experience a few tricks along the way that allows me to keep alot of the gains, while keeping the water retention to a minimum (as minimal as dbol will allow) Remember Dbols main components are protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. I never run dbol more than 4 weeks at 30mg/day and I run an aromatise inhibitor higher than i would normally with say a basic test cycle (or any other cycle for that matter) aromasin @ 12.5-25mg ED while on Dbol (after Dbol i cut back to 12.5mg EOD aromasin) , i properly maintain a clean diet high in protein and up my calories (3500/4000) keeping it low in sodium, sodium intake is a big factor. I also up my water intake from a gallon a day to about two and a half gallons, believe it or not the more water you drink the less you will retain. I also increase cardio intensity and implement this daily and usually double from what i do when im not taking Dbol. I also utilize the hot tub i have in my backyard twice a day every day at 104 degrees and soak 45min-1hr, allowing myself to sweat like a whore at sunday mass (there are multiple ways of forcing yourself to sweat, this is just my choice and most convenient), which helps me shed even more water (sometimes 2-3 pounds in one soak no BS) Then after 4 weeks i come off dbol while remaining on testosterone(and possible other compounds) i up my caloric intake from (3500/4000) to (5500/6000) but now i increase my carb intake along with. The reason i increase calories by so much is because once dbol passes from your system your body needs to compensate in order to maintain your new size and muscle mass. People tend to remain at the same caloric intake at this point which i believe is the factor as to why people do not keep alot of Dbol gains. After all is said and done, it is still very difficult to maintain the additional mass if one does not maintain their new caloric maintenance. And this is where i myself tend to recede unfortunately, but alot of gains are keepable none the less. I must advise that i do have an extreme metablosim, which may have an effect on the overall results. And lets not forget how dbol make yous feel, and when one feels that great mentally it will definitely have a dramatic impact on your workouts and the body, which in turn will give better end results. I can only speak for what works for me and my body personally, but i hope this clarifys the true potential that Dbol possesses . And in the end everything will be dose dependent per person, diet and based on personal goals..[/quote:r3vjv5ee]

I like what u said about bumping up ur caloric intake. People often forget that if your 200 pounds and get up to 220 u have to change your diet plan to accommodate being that size or youll go back to 200 faster than u got there

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.

Personally for orals i opt for Dbol and always run it with test (sometimes additional compounds).. Its definitely NOT for everybody, i cannot stress this enough, and you really gotta know your shit to maximize the results. The reason i do this is because ive ran it so many times and ive learned from experience a few tricks along the way that allows me to keep alot of the gains, while keeping the water retention to a minimum (as minimal as dbol will allow) Remember Dbols main components are protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. I never run dbol more than 4 weeks at 30mg/day and I run an aromatise inhibitor higher than i would normally with say a basic test cycle (or any other cycle for that matter) aromasin @ 12.5-25mg ED while on Dbol (after Dbol i cut back to 12.5mg EOD aromasin) , i properly maintain a clean diet high in protein and up my calories (3500/4000) keeping it low in sodium, sodium intake is a big factor. I also up my water intake from a gallon a day to about two and a half gallons, believe it or not the more water you drink the less you will retain. I also increase cardio intensity and implement this daily and usually double from what i do when im not taking Dbol. I also utilize the hot tub i have in my backyard twice a day every day at 104 degrees and soak 45min-1hr, allowing myself to sweat like a whore at sunday mass (there are multiple ways of forcing yourself to sweat, this is just my choice and most convenient), which helps me shed even more water (sometimes 2-3 pounds in one soak no BS) Then after 4 weeks i come off dbol while remaining on testosterone(and possible other compounds) i up my caloric intake from (3500/4000) to (5500/6000) but now i increase my carb intake along with. The reason i increase calories by so much is because once dbol passes from your system your body needs to compensate in order to maintain your new size and muscle mass. People tend to remain at the same caloric intake at this point which i believe is the factor as to why people do not keep alot of Dbol gains. After all is said and done, it is still very difficult to maintain the additional mass if one does not maintain their new caloric maintenance. And this is where i myself tend to recede unfortunately, but alot of gains are keepable none the less. I must advise that i do have an extreme metablosim, which may have an effect on the overall results. And lets not forget how dbol make yous feel, and when one feels that great mentally it will definitely have a dramatic impact on your workouts and the body, which in turn will give better end results. I can only speak for what works for me and my body personally, but i hope this clarifys the true potential that Dbol possesses . And in the end everything will be dose dependent per person, diet and based on personal goals..[/quote:3837u2qo]

Very good suggestions here Drb. I agree with you completely about bumping caloric intake for gain maintenance, and that goes for any AAS. Anytime you gain more lean mass, it's obviously going to take more calories to maintain it.

I will probably give Dbol a shot again at some point, and I will utilize a lot of the things you mentioned for water retention control. You mentioned a couple things that I had never really thought about doing, so I appreciate the info!

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.[/quote:2wdrspid]


Very good points bro. Im pretty excited to see what Deca is all about. It may be a new favorite compound of mine. Who knows? Lol. Now I just have to wait another month to start!

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.

Personally for orals i opt for Dbol and always run it with test (sometimes additional compounds).. Its definitely NOT for everybody, i cannot stress this enough, and you really gotta know your shit to maximize the results. The reason i do this is because ive ran it so many times and ive learned from experience a few tricks along the way that allows me to keep alot of the gains, while keeping the water retention to a minimum (as minimal as dbol will allow) Remember Dbols main components are protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. I never run dbol more than 4 weeks at 30mg/day and I run an aromatise inhibitor higher than i would normally with say a basic test cycle (or any other cycle for that matter) aromasin @ 12.5-25mg ED while on Dbol (after Dbol i cut back to 12.5mg EOD aromasin) , i properly maintain a clean diet high in protein and up my calories (3500/4000) keeping it low in sodium, sodium intake is a big factor. I also up my water intake from a gallon a day to about two and a half gallons, believe it or not the more water you drink the less you will retain. I also increase cardio intensity and implement this daily and usually double from what i do when im not taking Dbol. I also utilize the hot tub i have in my backyard twice a day every day at 104 degrees and soak 45min-1hr, allowing myself to sweat like a whore at sunday mass (there are multiple ways of forcing yourself to sweat, this is just my choice and most convenient), which helps me shed even more water (sometimes 2-3 pounds in one soak no BS) Then after 4 weeks i come off dbol while remaining on testosterone(and possible other compounds) i up my caloric intake from (3500/4000) to (5500/6000) but now i increase my carb intake along with. The reason i increase calories by so much is because once dbol passes from your system your body needs to compensate in order to maintain your new size and muscle mass. People tend to remain at the same caloric intake at this point which i believe is the factor as to why people do not keep alot of Dbol gains. After all is said and done, it is still very difficult to maintain the additional mass if one does not maintain their new caloric maintenance. And this is where i myself tend to recede unfortunately, but alot of gains are keepable none the less. I must advise that i do have an extreme metablosim, which may have an effect on the overall results. And lets not forget how dbol make yous feel, and when one feels that great mentally it will definitely have a dramatic impact on your workouts and the body, which in turn will give better end results. I can only speak for what works for me and my body personally, but i hope this clarifys the true potential that Dbol possesses . And in the end everything will be dose dependent per person, diet and based on personal goals..

I like what u said about bumping up ur caloric intake. People often forget that if your 200 pounds and get up to 220 u have to change your diet plan to accommodate being that size or youll go back to 200 faster than u got there[/quote:iia1beyu]


It took me a few runs, but practice makes perfect..

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Re: RE: deca/test

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Very good read Drb! Thanks for sharing with us brother! I like the concept of this completely. The idea of start and safe cycling has been lost somewhere these days it seems

RockinRick- For some reason this old school cycle has gotten lost. I always say this is the single most tested stack there is. I seem to sense younger guys are afraid of deca and dbol, but jump right in with tren and halo. They are fearfull that deca has too many side effects, but I have used it for 40 years. Then they think that dbol makes you a big water bag with no muscles or strength...just a bag of water. That certainly is NOT true. Here was a weird cutting stack...100mg test, 200mg deca, 30mg dbol. The striations over the abs got blurred by some water but the cut between the abs got deeper and the abs themselves got big. From here just some primo and ta daaa...there you have arnold, sergio, lou!! I no longer mess with dbol, but I would certainly rather see youngsters on dbol then on halo or adrol.

Personally for orals i opt for Dbol and always run it with test (sometimes additional compounds).. Its definitely NOT for everybody, i cannot stress this enough, and you really gotta know your shit to maximize the results. The reason i do this is because ive ran it so many times and ive learned from experience a few tricks along the way that allows me to keep alot of the gains, while keeping the water retention to a minimum (as minimal as dbol will allow) Remember Dbols main components are protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. I never run dbol more than 4 weeks at 30mg/day and I run an aromatise inhibitor higher than i would normally with say a basic test cycle (or any other cycle for that matter) aromasin @ 12.5-25mg ED while on Dbol (after Dbol i cut back to 12.5mg EOD aromasin) , i properly maintain a clean diet high in protein and up my calories (3500/4000) keeping it low in sodium, sodium intake is a big factor. I also up my water intake from a gallon a day to about two and a half gallons, believe it or not the more water you drink the less you will retain. I also increase cardio intensity and implement this daily and usually double from what i do when im not taking Dbol. I also utilize the hot tub i have in my backyard twice a day every day at 104 degrees and soak 45min-1hr, allowing myself to sweat like a whore at sunday mass (there are multiple ways of forcing yourself to sweat, this is just my choice and most convenient), which helps me shed even more water (sometimes 2-3 pounds in one soak no BS) Then after 4 weeks i come off dbol while remaining on testosterone(and possible other compounds) i up my caloric intake from (3500/4000) to (5500/6000) but now i increase my carb intake along with. The reason i increase calories by so much is because once dbol passes from your system your body needs to compensate in order to maintain your new size and muscle mass. People tend to remain at the same caloric intake at this point which i believe is the factor as to why people do not keep alot of Dbol gains. After all is said and done, it is still very difficult to maintain the additional mass if one does not maintain their new caloric maintenance. And this is where i myself tend to recede unfortunately, but alot of gains are keepable none the less. I must advise that i do have an extreme metablosim, which may have an effect on the overall results. And lets not forget how dbol make yous feel, and when one feels that great mentally it will definitely have a dramatic impact on your workouts and the body, which in turn will give better end results. I can only speak for what works for me and my body personally, but i hope this clarifys the true potential that Dbol possesses . And in the end everything will be dose dependent per person, diet and based on personal goals..

Very good suggestions here Drb. I agree with you completely about bumping caloric intake for gain maintenance, and that goes for any AAS. Anytime you gain more lean mass, it's obviously going to take more calories to maintain it.

I will probably give Dbol a shot again at some point, and I will utilize a lot of the things you mentioned for water retention control. You mentioned a couple things that I had never really thought about doing, so I appreciate the info![/quote:321v447h]

^ Any time bro, i thought people would benefit from this